Why do some people call City Place Mall, “Shitty Place Mall”?
By Silver Springer • Jul 28th, 2008 • Category: Business and Economic Development, MORE NEWS, News Round Up, Rating the Projects: The Best and the Worst, Real Estate, Silver Springer
In 1992 City Place Mall opened its doors to waiting patrons and news cameras. A new space integrated with the old Hecht?s building, it featured one of the strongest art deco facades in Silver Spring and defining architecture from the late 80s ? early 90s.
The enclosed mall with five main levels covered in black and white marble, brass plated lighting adornments and argyle floors, was one of the hopes and efforts to revive a dying Silver Spring.
With the departure of several midsized stores and anchors? that were chains, Nordstrom rack, an array of small enterprises have taken a stab at picking up the slack where stores like Nordstrom Rack left off. The mall isn?t big enough for large department stores like a Macy?s in the Ballston Common Mall, in Arlington, Virginia for example, with its four levels of enclosed space in an urban setting. Who would want one anyway, right? It would only add to the perception that Silver Spring is only full of chains. Perhaps a collection of Health and Beauty Salons would change its course; Ballston Common has over six in it.
Current management and owner, Petrie Ross bought the property last year, before that happened the former mall owner tried to boost the image of the mall by adding a new entry way and unique entertainment venues like McGinty?s Public House, a two level tricked out Irish pub with a dance floor and flat screen TVs as well as Galaxy Billiards which has taken up the dual role of sports bar and table pool house in Silver Spring. Regardless, the ?Shitty Place Mall? name has stuck.
According to some the effort has failed miserably, ?the mall just never caught on?, it has earned and deserves the name ?Shitty Place Mall?; a convenient play on words with the malls real name, without elaborating critics have left it at that, but it leaves one scratching their head, what particular stores makes it ?shitty? and can anything be done? What won?t make it so ?shitty? anymore? Because in order to solve a problem you have to know what it is first?
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I was pretty sad when the arcade was closed. That actually gave me and my friends a reason to go in there roughly every Friday. The Burger King is also appreciated I suppose. I think the thing that makes City Place shitty is a combination between the shitty anchors, and the uninspiring boutiques like Jet Legs or whatever that place is called. If they just lured some real stores in there, or better yet, put in a bunch of fun things like bowling, or a bigger arcade, I think it would come back. No D&B though, that’s not a real arcade, that’s just some bull.
While TECHNICALLY Galaxy Billiards and McGinty’s may be in Shitty Place, they are really Ellsworth-facing. This fact is what allows them to exist. I was in the upper level of McGinty’s once by the back exit (which I never see anyone use) and heard someone say, “There’s a mall here?”
Most people avoid Shitty Place like the plague, which is why they won’t get a decent retailer anytime soon. The only chance they have is to get a BB&B or Linens N Things or some such place that is too convenient to ignore.
I think the name “Innercity Place Mall” captures the problems with the stores in that building. They’re low rent operations that sell cheap crap to teens. If you’re a teen looking to hang out, eat some fast food, and buy cheap crap, then the place is just fine, but those of us who don’t fit that description have no reason to go there.
Besides, last week the Gazette noted in an article that someone was mugged inside the mall at 4:30 in the afternoon!
What would make it better? A decent anchor store like Macy’s or Dillards or Nordstroms, for starters. If it’s true that the mall simply isn’t large enough (but can’t they break down walls inside?), then smaller shops that sell useful and decent quality goods like Pottery Barn or BB&B or Linens ‘N Things, maybe even a Williams-Sonoma or other good quality kitchen/cooking store.
And how about a store where a guy can buy a decent pair of underwear? Sounds a little silly, but that kind of store would attract people who have basic shopping needs.
Otherwise, tear down the mall and put up an apartment building, while somehow keeping McGintys.
I have read all the comments so far and yet I think we are all trying to ignore the point.
We have shopping centers such as Prince Georges Plaza, Wheaton Mall and even LakeForest Mall a.k.a “Ghetto Forest” that are thriving though they are labeled as “very urban” and high crimed. Between the stabbings at LakeForest or the assaults Wheaton Mall, I think we need to take a deeper look at City Place and realize that it may be due to stereo typing of some Maryland residents that will cause the demise of our mall.
The so called “low rent operations that sell cheap crap to teens” are what’s helping Silver Spring from turning into over priced monopoly chain owned area’s such as Rockville, Bethesda, Gaithersburg, Chevy Chase etc….. Yes, City Place is different from it’s five levels to the owners who come from all parts of the world, but then again Silver Spring in it’s self cannot be compared to other local cities. Where else can you find Block parties, community events and neighborhood associations so etched in community life?
We fail to remember how unique Silver Spring is and the sacrifices “City Place” has made to keep us different and multicultural. But it is us who need to take a deeper look at ourselves. Could it be that some of us are uncomfortable in multicultural settings? McGinty’s is cool but there are at least 10 Irish Pubs and Bars with dance floors 12 minutes away in Bethesda.
If people cared to take time and really explore City Place you might actually find the perfect unique gift and card at “Sentiments Cards and Gifts”, name brand underwear at “Marshalls”, fantastic sale prices on sneakers at “Foot Action” or trendy upscale shoes at “Nine West”.
I don’t know about you but with rising gas prices and everthing else, I could use some good bargains.
Revitalizing the mall will require far more than just changing the retail mix. The building needs to be aethetically and functionally updated to current standards/tastes including opening it up the outside. Not only is the vast majority of the building walled off from the street scene, but the two entries that do exist are claustrophobic, especially with frequent bus/passenger traffic. All of this along with new signage, lighting, branding, etc. would do wonders for this long-maligned mall.
A few years back Mazza Gallerie in Friendship heights renovated and opened up the mall to the street. It completely repositined the mall, which was also way down in the dumps. We don’t necessarily need all upscale stores–Nordstrom wouldn’t com here & neither would Williams-Sonoma– but stores that appeal to a wide clientele, like Bed Bath & Beyond as one poster recommended. Even a CVS would be used if there were street access.
City Place was never going to succeed in the first place. The mall is not big enough to hold higher-end department stores. Building a mall in high-density urban areas was the trend in the 1980s and early 1990s. Nowadays, even your first-year planning student would laugh at such a development strategy.
Why couldn’t smaller high-end retailers set up shop in City Place back in the late-1990s? Because leasing space in City Place was so damn cheap for discount chains that all of the spaces were rented out quickly. You have to remember back in the 1990s, Silver Spring real estate was nickels on the dollar compared to the huge bubble of today. You didn’t have to put much money down to get a slot at City Place if you were a retailer back then. After all, starting a business in the old downtown Silver Spring was a risky proposition.
Thus…City Place was stuck with discount stores and esoteric places that sold crappy quality items at dirt-cheap prices. Is this going to attract the educated white, yuppie crowd? Nope. However, the cheap shops will lure poor, working class people from parts of DC, Silver Spring and PG County though. You would have low-income African Americans piling on the red line train and buses from northeast DC to shop at the City Place. Think about it, there is NO place to shop in many low-income DC neighborhoods. Later, huge numbers of recent Latino (mostly illegal) immigrants from Takoma Park, Wheaton and Langley Park were hitting the discount crap at City Place.
So the predominately affluent class in Silver Spring started to label City Place as “Shitty Place” because of the run-down quality of the stores and the low-income, minority demographic that shopped there. Sad but true.
Level Headed made the following statement:
“The so called “low rent operations that sell cheap crap to teens” are what’s helping Silver Spring from turning into over priced monopoly chain owned area’s such as Rockville, Bethesda, Gaithersburg, Chevy Chase etc…..”
Then they advocated suggested we shop at Marshall’s, Foot Action and Nine West. Huh?
As far as Wheaton Plaza goes, it’s not great but at least I find it worthwhile enough to go to once in awhile. The same can definitely not be said for Shitty Place.
And City Place has made “sacrifices”??? What does that mean? Did they reject nicer stores and keep their rents artificially low order to keep the mall crappy?
I should note that I used to work at City Place many years ago.
Level Headed, I’ve explored City Place, given it a “fair hearing” so to speak, and have no use for anything in there. Further, your allegations about the discomfit over “diversity” City Place critics might feel are tired and not helpful. As for chains, I appreciate good chain stores, and good independent businesses, and I find both in Bethesda; I have no problems with Bethesda or other areas, but I prefer Silver Spring as a place to live.
Regarding the revitalization of City Place. There are stores in our area which seem to be doing well, but are ill-placed, such as DSW or that mobile phone store on Colesville & Fenton. Those street level stores belong in a mall, and should be replaced with the kinds of entertainment venues that bring people in to a neighborhood, such as restaurants or bars. For example, I think DSW would make a great video game arcade/bar. It seems to me that the people doing the urban planning in Silver Spring have been making too many mistakes on what kinds of businesses they allow in the prime spots of DTSS.
@IHateYuppies -
I am glad you showed the true racist thoughts that is the reasoning behind the down fall of City Place.
You contradict your screen name.
WE COMPLAIN ABOUT RISING COSTS BUT YET WHEN WE ARE LUCKY TO HAVE AN AREA THAT IS HELPING TO KEEP COSTS DOWN WE SHUN IT AS “TOO CHEAP”.
YOU ALL MUST BE BILLIONAIRES CAUSE EVEN MILLIONAIRES ARE FLEELING THE CRUNCH!
I am an “upper middle Class African American” who is really tired of being surrounded by the shops that you claim “only the educated white, yuppie crowd” would care to shop. Been there, done that and to say the cheap shops would “have low-income African Americans piling on the red line train and buses from northeast DC to shop at the City” shows more then you can conceive.
So it’s okay that Wheaton, LakeForest and PG Malls are over taken by hispanics?
I guess it’s only when african americans dominate a certain area that it becomes unappealing to other races… That’s America!
Just don’t come crying if City Place gets torn down and, there are 10 times as many gas stations, car dealer ships, housing is completely unaffordable and you can’t even afford the so called “white department stores”.
Car dealerships and gas stations… wha?
If you all have done any research you’ll find that area’s such as Bethesda, Rockville and even Germantown has been transformed into strips of car dealerships, gas stations and high unaffordable so called “condos” that were once just apartment buildings.
Rockville has since torn down a lot of the non-franchised businesses along 355 to make way for the “larger companies” and alas……. You’ll now find plenty of “Space Available For Lease” signs because the high priced stores are unaffordable and commercial rent sky rocketed to make way for these stores they thought people so greatly needed.
Also keep in mind of the past large Companies that were branched in Silver Spring such as Bombay and Store House that went completely out of business nationally. Now the rumors of Borders being bought out nationally as well.
Remember Macy’s The company that bought out Hetchts, kept the same clothing that Hetchts sold but doubled the price? Yea, there not doing so well now either.
I say Hooray to the so called “cheap stores”, they obviously are doing something right to have sustained where these larger business could not.
Careful what you wish for, Level Headed. Dollar Stores and their ilk thrive in impoverished neighborhoods, and do liquor stores, check cashing stores, corner grocery stores which sell no fresh fruit or vegetables but plenty of greasy and sugary cheap garbage, and crime and misery. That’s not the kind of neighborhood we should be hoping for.
Moreover, the general demise of quality businesses in our area and the nation are a portent of economic decline. Again, not something anyone should be encouraging.
@Springvale Roader -
OKaaaaY???
If you are stating about our economy, doesn’t that mean that we cannot afford these stores that you are so adamant on building in Silver Spring?? Thous proving my point?
You also have gotten carried away with the topic which is not getting rid of the smaller unfranchised stores in City Place but recognizing their worth. We are not talking about getting rid of Nine West and putting up a dollar mart.
We are talking about sustaining some kind of decent pricing in one of the only area’s we have left to do so.
When Silver Spring was really crappy it had more car dealerships and gas stations than it does today, for what it’s worth.
Level Headed (Based on your posts, this is an oxymoron),
Am I wrong about the demographics that shop at City Place? I don’t think so. It’s 99 percent mostly low-income Hispanics and blacks. It wasn’t the clientele that brought down City Place. It was the shops and owner of City Place that brought down the quality. But I have to talked to people about City Place and there is veiled racist language that leads to the name, “Shitty Place”. “City Place is unsafe”. “City Place has unruly teenagers from DC”. “City Place attracts troublemakers”. I have heard all kinds of negative reactions from long-time Silver Spring residents about that mall. Like I noted above…this is sad but this is what I hear.
Hey, I rant against the growing income inequality in Silver Spring and the sky-high rents that force out working people making under six-figures. The yuppies have tried to take over Silver Spring and mold it into a Baby Bethesda. It worked according to plan because many people in the Silver Spring area do not have the incomes to live in the new condos or enjoy the new shops. The pro-development Yuppies would love to see City Place razed to the ground so high-end boutique shops and condos could be in the same location. These guys jerk off to an Apple store every day it seems like. I want City Place destroyed because it is an economic failure with the many vacant store lots and an architectural eye sore.
No LevelHeaded, I want those better stores, as do many people who live in Silver Spring. We’re not a rundown neighborhood anymore, thank goodness. There is room for Nine Wests, and also room for Pottery Barns. The problem with that mess of a mall is that it is filled only discount stores; if you have a good job, own a nice home, and are beyond the age of 20, you want better choices.
Moreover, a neighborhood filled only with cheap stores will regress and bring the crime and blight back with it. You can’t celebrate the rebirth of Silver Spring and at the same time fight gentrification.
I should have written, “own or rent a nice home.”
Interesting article and comments. I have to admit that I agree with the article’s initial assessment of the mall. There’s nothing there that holds my interest and while folks might call that classist, racist, ethnocentric, I have yet to see a crowd in there at any time of day/week, so presumably I’m not the only one. (In fact, I prefer thrift stores and craigslist, but that’s neither here nor there…)
How are the mall and the stores in it doing financially? Do people actually shop there or are they struggling? I don’t think we need to recreate the Wheaton or PG malls but a few more generic stores with wider appeal would help, as would stores that actually sell what I need. I would love to shop local, but the fact is, there are very few practical things sold there so I have to go elsewhere to get housewares, etc. How about some more clothing, housewares, kids clothes/goods, furniture, linens - even a toy store?
Well, I guess I’m a white yuppie woman (greetings to the guy who hates me and so loves to proclaim it!) and I shop at City Place — Payless, Nine West, Burlington Coat Factory, and Marshalls — and used to eat occasionally at Ruby Tuesday. Burlington and Marshall’s are a little grimy, but the deals are good. Really, I think the infrastructure of the mall looks pretty good — the atrium is actually pretty if you stop and look at it.
I think it would draw more people with more and better stores — there are several vacant storefronts and a lot that sell cheap clothes and accessories to teenagers. I agree that a Bed Bath and Beyond would be great — that would actually draw people in — though it might hurt Strosniders’ business, which I would hate to see. A craft or fabric store would be nice (like Michael’s or JoAnn’s) and a half-decent toy store. I’m just not sure if any one new store could get a foothold and thrive, though. What the mall could really use is a big, publicized overhaul, with several new, attractive stores opening at the same time, and a public event to bring people in to see it.
In the meantime, Auntie Anne is opening soon there, which should be a deliciously fattening good time. And I have heard good things about the new massage place, believe it or not!
Also, somebody said there are two entrances. There are three — one at each corner and one in the middle. The one in the middle is actually quite open and airy, but I suspect no one uses it because everyone approaches from one of the corners.
And finally, how depressing to call it Shitty Place. Why perpetuate derogatory nicknames? It will never get back on its feet if we saddle it with baggage like that.
Or perhaps I should say, “on its feet in the first place!”
I went into City Place about 8 months ago to see how it was doing and almost immediately had to jump out of the way as 4 or 5 black teens scattered - running away from a couple of security officers. I just turned around and walked back out. Who would want to deal with that for such junky stores?
yes. it’s shitty.
Mimi, you are right…there are three entrances. See, that middle one is so hidden that I forgot about it and I go by there all the time.
I find myself agreeing with much that has been said above, particularly Woodsider’s astute take. Forget demographics and retail mix, perhaps the reality is nothing would thrive in that walled-in compound, set against streetscape retail. I agree that the Mazza Gallerie transformation is an interesting model to consider.
Thanks, Easley! And anyone who has been in Mazza Gallerie knows that there is a tremendous variety in the demographic that patronizes that mall, from the richest of the rich to the working class…each of every color in the rainbow. So much for the stereotyping that we all can slip into if we’re not careful.
@Springvale Roader -
The stores we are talking about in City Place are not run down! go to NE D.C if you want to see run down!
And For your info there is a Nine West and Pier 1 is right up the block.
This is why people need to open their eyes.
@Danielle Meitiv -
You obviously didn’t get that the initial article was making a sacastic remark to the reasons why Malls like Wheaton with higer crimes and more of the so call “shitty stores” are thriving more so then City Place.
It truly is because of the mind set of people who think they are too good for the area.
@Woodsider -
Your kidding yourself if you think Mazza Galleria is diverse. Sure, you may see different ethnicity’s at the Cheese Cake Factory but really take a good look around.
Or you may just have a different perspective on what you feel is diverse.
LevelHeaded (sic), I’ve lived in Silver Spring for 9 years and don’t need you advising me to open my eyes. One man’s garbage is another man’s gold, and if you see treasure in City Place Mall, then have at it. I see dirt.
I also see a huge chip on your shoulder.
First of all let me say that Level Headed is coming off the opposite. Mazza Gallerie has lower income stores on the first level, have you been in there? Theres black people in there all the time including my black ass! Shitty Place needs to be gutted out to make way for that office tower thats currently being built on top of it. It makes no sense to have 5 levels of stores that nobody can use! (level headed, pier 1 is not in city place so that doesnt count)
But I do not think lower income people NEED to come all the way to SS to shop cheaply,
Oxon Hill has EAST OVER which provides a plethora of shopping as does Alabama ave/good hope road SE. Obviously many of you don’t travel to the hood.
Theres even an IHOP in southeast…these people have shopping where they live, my friends live in southeast. They are coming to SS, but not to shop.
I’ve lived in Silver Spring since I was 2 and I can say that Shitty Place is one of the biggest disappointments in downtown, ever. At the time it opened, everyone had to go to Wheaton to do their shopping so we had high hopes. Even though it initially had promise, the mall rapidly declined and became a ghost town. And it’s not just for a particular group of people - the place is empty 99% of the time. It’s actually impressive in a way how much Shitty Place has been able to weather the improvements in Silver Spring without improving whatsoever. You’d think by now it might have gotten better by accident.
Level Headed: Cheescake Factory is not in Mazza Gallerie, it is across the street at the Chevy Chase Pavilion. Nonetheless, the entire area has an incredibly diverse group shopping/eating there. Within a five block area, there is in addition to Cheescake Factory a World Market, TJ Maxx, Linens-n-Things & Filene’s Basement right alongside a Neiman Marcus, Roche Bobois (furniture), Sacks 5th Avenue and a multi-plex cinema. Have you actually been there anytime recently? I have and can tell you that there is an endless variety of people and income groups that mix effortlessly there. I agree with Springvale Roader–you come across as having a massive chip on your shoulder and while I completely disagree, you certainly you add interest to the blog comments.
Level Headed - completely agree with IHY - your name is an absolute oxymoron.
Your arguement that we need shitty place mall and it’s stores to keep “Silver Spring unique and diverse” … Frankly this is insulting - I think having good stores to shop from transcends diversity. I’m willing to spend my money on good products, not on sub-par no-name stores with shit selection a la Shitty Place mall.
I’ll take Bethesda, Arlington, Tysons any day and yes I moved here in hopes that there would be the same surge in development seen in those areas. What the hell is wrong with folks in Silver Spring.
RE: I’ve said this before and I’ll Continue to say it. This IHY aka I HateMaryland is not from Silver Spring especially from the way he finds every freaking excuse to talk bad about Silver Spring, Montgomery County, or any other part of Maryland. Its almost certain that IHY is actually a citizen of Northern Virginia in more than likely a resident of Arlington, Alexandria, or Tyscon’s Corner…..
Amazing how racist LevelHeaded is. Especially towards his/her own race.
Tdiddy, you hit the nail on the head.
Just becuase something is affordable does not mean it has to be ghetto, poorly made or attract thugs (and thugs can be of any race). These are all traits of City Place Mall and DTSS for that matter.
We all want our property values to go up. Doesn’t matter your race or income level for you to agree with me on that. It’s not going to happen unless we do something to attract higher end stores that appeal to an educated consumer. The stores in City Place Mall that sell fake bling don’t do that.
I don’t think most people on this posting have any problem with diversity, multi-culturalism or having minorities live and shop in Silver Spring.But most people have a problem with low class, ghetto thugs overtaking the streets and providing an unsafe and unappealing atmosphere to shop in.
Wow from Ellsworth drive to City Place mall, can I join you guys on your crusade to chase the blacks out of town? Afterwards we’ll celebrate with some salsa, tacos and illegals!
JohnSmith, there was nothing wrong with your original screen name: LevelHeaded.
Speaking as someone from Oxon Hill (my folks still live there), Eastover is NOT the Oxon Hill shopping. That area is, and always has been, Anacostia shopping even though it’s technically over the border into Maryland. Oxon Hill used to have shopping there where the Shoppers is now. Most stuff closed. Then we had Rivertowne but that’s fading too. I really hope that National Harbor can bring some of the prosperity to Oxon Hill (we used to call it Action Hill lol) that Silver Spring and Hyattsville are now seeing.
Back on the subject of City Place, I do shop there. I still miss Nordstrom Rack. A LOT. But there’s the Nine West, McGinity’s, the new Steve and Barry’s, a few places in there worth a look. The BEST thing in City Place, though, is that little soul food carry out called the Brass Hen. It’s on the bottom layer on the side away from the escalators near Steve and Barry’s. OMG, this place is great. Very good comfort food.
Terry in silver spring, what i was referring to was affordable shopping that is availible other places besides silver spring to se dc residents, and people i know down there have no problem getting everything they need like u said at rivertown but also at eastover which has lots of stores but more importantly alabama ave, minnesota ave/good hope area theres plenty of stores. the argument they come all the way to silver spring to shop for dollar store items and Nike boots is proposterous!
BRASS HEN is good? i may have to try it out, its soul food right? It cant be better than Carolina Kitchen at PG Malls strip (ironically much quieter, better behaved than ellsworth) and Largo Blvd. (HOT MESS of bad behavior)
I do agree that there is nothing in the mall to shop for unless you’re a female who likes good bargains. I would love a William-Sonoma store as I love to cook and enjoy what the store has to offer to help me make great meals. BB&B is a great idea.
As far as African Americans flocking to shop at City place, I’m a bit confused. I used to live in Southeast DC and then Northeast DC. As a teen, we never flocked to City Place. We went to Crystal/Pentagon City, Prince Georges Plaza, and Mazza Gallerie to shop. City Place was only considered because of the movie theater.
When I moved to Adelphi, I used to go everyday because of Gold’s Gym. The GNC is cool. But other than that, there’s nothing that would attract me there. Perhaps a multi-leved Best Buy or even Khols may draw some better shops.
By the way, Carolina Kitchen burned to death in 03′ on Colesville road across from Discovery and done moved out to Largo (BLVD cap. ctr) and PG Malls versions of Ellsworth. Can we get what we STARTED back in silver spring? Carolina Kitchen was the spot in silver spring now we have to go all the way to PG Mall for some soul fixins! I want to start a petition to its owners to put one either back in its original location which they just fixed up, or around Ellsworth. Lets BRING BACK CAROLINA KITCHEN TO SILVER SPRING! Whose with me?
Not level headed, the Carolina Kitchen you’re referring to is at University Town Center. The mix is the same as Downtown Silver Spring as far as patrons are concerned. One reason why UTC (for now) may be better behaved is that PG Mall and Metro Shops thins out the herd so-to-speak. There’s enough to spread everyone around unlike at DTSS where everything is consolidated to two blocks.
I now frequent UTC more than I do DTSS now that more shops have come online. Also, I just transferred my membership from WSC to the Ballys at Metro Shops. In addition, I now go to the movie theater at UTC instead of DTSS. Much less crowded. The place is cavernous! I must say the Majestic did get a little too popular. I hate large crowds, so that didn’t help.
O yes Adelphi I went to see “Stepbrothers” or whatever its called at the theatre at UTC for the first time. I was really impressed everything you said was correct its much better behaved. Even the teenaged “appearance” thugs are behaved. I think your theory is correct plus you wouldn’t know all that was back there. I was pleasantly surprised to see Carolina Kitchen!
I think they masqueraded the town center on purpose! I think its mostly for UMD students lol.
The Majestic just has too much going on, its like Six Flags in there.
Adelphi have you ate at Carolina?
I’ve eaten at CK more than I want to admit. The food is good, but it is not good for you. Mostly everything is fried. I’m trying to limit my visits to once a week. I love seafood and was a fan of Copelands (why oh why did they leave the area?). CK has just the right mix of soul-food and seafood for me. A bit pricey though. I’ve tasted better friend chicken (Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles in Cali). It will do for now. I hear WOW Cafe and Wingery pulled out of UTC and Buffalo Wild Wings may take it’s place (same company). Also, Dominion Brewery is slowly but surely getting their act together. There are hiring signs now and the place looks to be constructed inside from what I could tell from the ceiling with lights and all.
Adelphi me and you may be best friends now because we both love the same places!
I LOVE ROSCOES! I went 2 hollywood and fell in love with their fried chicken! You are so right about Copelands, I used to love getting their sweet potatoe suffle however u spell it!
Hooters? come on now! Its so funny you mentioned WOW because me and my guy tried to go to WOW before “stepbrothers” started and it wasn’t there…according to him he could have sworn there was one there and he almost broke down in tears! lol Did it close?
I dragged him into Carolina Kitchen, he paid for it but I do know from earlier experiences how expensive it is. They must make good money but SS needs it back. In terms of seafood I was not impressed with Phillips @ all in SS, apparently nobody else was since it closed. Good seafood, go to Legal, but for the best go up to Bmore.
Dominion is opening in UTC?
BTW, Gladys Knights in Largo is discusting and so is Golden Corral, why cant southern chains like these come into our markets and serve the same good fixins?
Gladys Knights is amazing in Atlanta, she came up here and forgot her seasonings